Algorithm Improvement
I'm sure you're getting a lot of complaints about how one-sided your algorithm is not being impartial and often times screwing over players with land draws that should not be happening in a purely random sample - so my complaint can be added to that pile.
But, an idea for changing the algorithm to improve randomization would be having the program assign a number to each card remaining in a deck and pile shuffling the cards into X amount of piles (let's say 6). It can repeat this process Y amount of times then take the middle of the pile and put those cards on top. A better template would be from the card shuffler for poker sets from stores.
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adamlock#66684 commented
The draws are not random, it is failed algorithmic draws that don't allow unconventional strategies
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MichiganMan94#95770 commented
Fix your algorithm for the deck shuffler. In 100% of my games, I should not be unable to play because I get to much land or not enough. Getting three lands in 10 cards should not be nearly impossible. When that doesn't happen, I get flooded with lands.
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BrunoMGG#88507 commented
i was about to report the same problem. i started play arena since in my town there's not many people who plays the real game card.
I introduced MTG to my brother and we both having the same problem.
this is bad programing in the random of the cards that you draw.
this post is from 7 / 01 / 22 and had the 1º replay in 15 / 09 /22 and we are tat 26 / 02 / 23 and the problem keeps the same. WTF.
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Nightmare#82796 commented
This dog **** algorithm they use is making me hate the game all together. Used to make mythic on a regular basis and now I can't even get out of Plat. Until this **** is fixed, you can go **** yourself wizards. You won't see another dime from me nor will I be playing you're ******** rigged game.
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MessyMitch#00492 commented
Bots brought to you by...this game. They cheat. The community deserves better.
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Haystack#90070 commented
How many games in paper magic has anyone hit 4 consecutive draws of the same card? I just played SIX STRAIGHT GAMES where I drew 4 consecutive Portal to Phyrexia of the top of my deck. In four of those games I also hit four consecutive Big Score. Gotta love a good shuffle!
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Kojiki#93345 commented
The randomizer is not properly working. I spent all day playing today in completely frustration, the randomizer is not working. Using different decks for no avail. One deck has 7 white mama, I draw all of them and only them, and almost no white cards.
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Wade the Wizard#03197 commented
Please! Destroy target "shuffle" code and create a new one.
My opening hand had 3 of the 5 Plains from my deck. The probability of this occurrence is between 1/2,772 and 1/3,422 depending on the order drawn. The probability of drawing 3 of the 24 Lands from my deck is between 1/14 and 1/17.
Just make the shuffle algorithm as truly random as possible. Please! I don't know what kind of weird code the "shuffle" is set up to do, but it's a pile of garbage.
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Sagat#53343 commented
fix the shuffler
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KIMERA246#20513 commented
Es realmente alarmante la cantidad de mulligans forzosos. Invlusive con una mano de 2 tierras y 3 spells de 2 manás el juego forza el mulligan al no darte las tierras necesarias. Siempre me pasa más seguido cuando juego free to play. En cambio cuando compro gemas fácilmente hago un 7-2 , con decks peor armados.
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Dameon Geppetto#78715 commented
Rigged AF! This is not a game of skill, it is a slot machine where the algorithm of the matchmaker determines who wins each match before it is played. If this product was regulated by any laws, the executives would be going to jail. DO NOT SPEND MONEY ON THIS GAME!
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Sagat#53343 commented
fix the shuffler
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AWM434#12082 commented
Wizards. Stop groveling to the almighty dollar. Manipulating the randomizer and matchup in hoping that some one rage buys more of your ****** product is disgusting. Your track record is not so good. Bank of America finally sees it, and they don't give a **** about customers. but they do see terrible business practices. How about no manipulation what so ever and be happy with a few billion dollars less in profit or next thing I read in the news is how Hasbro dumps you cancerous *** to save their own. You have destroyed this beautiful game with your greed. By the way MTG employees, you should of did a little solidarity back when this cancer started to spread, but you sold out to the old mighty dollar like your heartless overlords. Hope you are happy with the outcome and potential unemployment as they do massive layoffs to save their own sorry *****. By the way, all of us costumers feel the same way, many are just fearful that you will retaliate with banning their accounts.
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NIBOSHI#50407 commented
Even if it is for monetization, I still don't think this shuffle algorithm is a good idea. In fact, I have been playing for a few months and have not paid much money, but I am already losing interest in paying more money for this game. I don't think a game that can't attract money from users in the long run can be successful. As long as the algorithm is bad, I would not recommend this game to my friends.
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Elyod#62244 commented
Make everything about Arena random. The draws, the matchups and whatever else you manipulate. I wish I never spent money in this communist program. I love MTG, a game that me and my friends have enjoyed for over a decade and this single program make me hate Wizards. I wish I continued to play on MTGO, where when I win or lose I know it wasn't due to some algorithms.
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SirDiesel#16569 commented
Not an idea. I've been playing paper MTG for many years and work in data and statistics for a living. Over the last couple of months, the number of times that I have lost Premier Draft games due to drawing too many lands or too few lands has increased dramatically. The draws for Brawl seem appropriately statistically correct, but the draws for Premier Draft are not functioning properly. At this point I have decided that I am done paying for any product on Arena because there is no point in drafting if there is no chance to win. I have a strong suspicion that there is AI on the backend that already puts a finger on the "draw scales" to attempt to most encourage players to pay for more drafts, but this is now ridiculous. I don't care whether you fix it or not but thought you should know that at least one player's spending drop is due to this.
(If you check all of my Premier Draft game history over the last month you'll see that I have run experiments such as running extra nonland cards with the same number of lands and still losing multiple games in a row to mana flooding. Your algorithms are off.)
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PerkyDong#92692 commented
This games is not a fun experience and I personally doubt it will get any better. The shuffler algorithm is suspect and matchmaking is just useless. There are so many examples that I find it redundant to repeat them. This is not a bug it's a feature so if you are going to play you have to accept this and realize that you are going to be screwed over time and again.
To me a big part of the experience is to keep your win rate somewhere close to 50%. I have experienced 7 game win streaks followed by 10 losses. What gets to me and it has been mentioned in this thread is how you lose the game. Mana can be a very obvious indicator of how the game is "working". You have a multicolor long game strategy, mana drops will be infrequent while your chosen opponent is mono red and through no fault of your own you just get wiped out. Next match mono black very similar. Finally you get to play against another multicolor and your opponent only has 2 lands by turn 4 and you wipe them out. Rinse and repeat ...
At the end of the day it is about income and there will be more monetization coming soon. These developers are beholden to the corporation and Hasbro has to increase revenue so I don't see this getting any better. Unfortunately I fell for it and have spent quite a bit of money over the years. Remember in MTGA you own nothing. Does MTGO still do redemption sets?
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NIBOSHI#50407 commented
Why do not the mtg arena developers fix the shuffling algorithm? I really think the bad shuffle algorithm is a bug that should be fixed with the highest priority. Even if a new card set is implemented, I am not interested in buying them unless the shuffling algorithm is fixed.
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JaxMugen8#86810 commented
In best of one formats, the chance of winning is heavily skewed towards the player going first. It's not as bad in best of 3 as sideboard play can greatly impact matches, but in best of one, the extra tempo the first player gets from being a turn ahead will often lead to them winning "by a single turn".
Can *something* be done to help with this? I'm not sure what exactly - lots of balancing issues would need to be considered - but it'd likely have to be something to help counteract the tempo that player 1 gets.
Thanks!
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GhostFlameZz#66071 commented
FIX YOUR RNG OR GIVE REFUNDS.
Three events in a row 0/3 (Two sealed events and one draft) because of mana screwed, (ALL 9 MATCHES in a row, I LOST MY HEAD in disbelief).
FIX YOUR GAME OR REFUND MY PURCHASES!!!!
It’s not my fault you make me automatically lose because your RNG feels EFF this guy no lands for you.
Now I’m out 5500 gems of entries and you now have a very upset customer.
I’m fine losing if it’s because hey yeah I lost to the better player. BUT LOSING BECAUSE YOUR RNG IS SO TERRIBLE and pathetic is not my fault.
Either refund me my gems now or lose my business for good.