Kudo King Among Bears and Amphibean Downpour
Kudo, King Among Bears when enchanted by Amphibian Downpour continues to make all other creatures 2/2s despite losing its ability that makes it so.
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Covale'rahien#01903 commented
No. There's only one "layer" in Kudo's rule text. It's all the same static ability. Hitting it with anything that removes all abilities shuts that down.
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oenaris#61075 commented
This cost me multiple premier draft matches.
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Rezzahan#77802 commented
Static abilities can be shut off with AD. And it would work on Kudo if he ONLY set base p/t. The issue is, that Kudo also grants a creature type. And so Kudo's effect begins in layer 4, same as AD. And because it was already partially applied when abilities are removed (layer 6), it still gets to apply fully and sets base p/t (layer 7b).
613.6. If an effect should be applied in different layers and/or sublayers, the parts of the effect each
apply in their appropriate ones. If an effect starts to apply in one layer and/or sublayer, it will
continue to be applied to the same set of objects in each other applicable layer and/or sublayer, even
if the ability generating the effect is removed during this process. -
sparksfamilyvalues#95319 commented
It is because of layers, the effect setting power and toughness is applied before the effect removing Kudo's ability.