Typheous_the_Mad#99489
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Respectfully I disagree. How else can you select cards to exile if not by targeting them? Dennick is specifically meant to prohibit graveyard interaction, so allowing players to search through their graveyards and target 6 cards to be exiled is contrary to that intent.
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It literally says on the card text: "...if you put Bringer of the Last Gift onto the battlefield without casting it." Nobody is arguing that cloning a creature shouldn't trigger an "enter the battlefield" effect. What is at issue here is whether cloning a creature in a graveyard constitutes "casting" it, and the answer is clearly no as 701.4a makes clear. A spell needs its mana cost to be paid in order for it to be cast. Bringer of the Last Gift has a mana cost of 2 black, 6 other. If 2 black, 6 other is not spent, then Bringer of the Last Gift has not been cast.
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This issue isn't the "enter the battlefield" ability, as addressed in 707.5, but rather whether it meets the card text definition of "cast". In the scenario I've described, Bringer of the Last Gift was never cast. A token copy of it was *generated* (not cast), and that token *entered the battlefield* as Bringer of the Last Gift (not cast). In no instance was a card named Bringer of the Last Gift *cast* - and that's exactly what 701.4a addresses.
Think of it this way: if Bringer of the Last Gift was meant to be a card that could enter the battlefield out of the graveyard without paying its mana cost (as many creatures are already allowed to do), then why would the explicit text of having to *cast* the card be included?
I appreciate the intent to cheese overpowered creatures into play, but the rules make it clear this is not one of those creatures.
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Entering as a copy of a creature in a graveyard is not casting; it's copying a creature in a graveyard. The Gatherer rules text makes this clear regardless: "if you put Bringer of the Last Gift onto the battlefield without casting it", the ability does not trigger. Casting means to pay it's cost (see MTG rules 701.4a). At no point in the described interaction above does Bringer of the Last Gift's costs get paid; therefore, it is not "cast".
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I've looked into this further and confirmed that this bug is more prevalent than originally thought.
After 100 games of Magic on the Arena PC client (Standard format), I received the expected "Opponent Goes First" message 66 times, meaning that a full ONE THIRD of the games were faulty by allowing me to play first. In a game designed to significantly reward players who start the match (specifically with counter magic, single spells triggering multiple effects, and ever-stronger "enter the battlefield" effects without downside), it is clear that this advantage being provided to me in a full one third of matches is not intended.