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@Rezzhan.
603.7d If a spell creates a delayed triggered ability, the source of that delayed triggered ability is that spell. The controller of that delayed triggered ability is the player who controlled that spell as it resolved.
Mtg wiki disagrees with you
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@Razzahan. So you believe if you had an instant that said "the next time you cast a black spell destroy target permanent" it wouldn't be the target of a spell because it's a casting trigger spell
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@Rezzahan. Those decks are built off casting triggers not triggered abilities. Triggered abilities are attached to permanents that are already on the battlefield like Hullbreaker Kraken for example. (Whenever you cast a spell) but Hullbreaker needs to exist as a permanent and not on still be on the stack or be between the steps of being a resolved item and a permanent. If Tectonic was the target of Hullbreaker you'd say it's a triggered ability. My problem is that Ugin targets him before he enters. He doesn't even need to enter. Not sure how it can be said Ugin can target Tectonic, not being a permanent and then still say it wasn't the spell that targeted it. Ugin doesn't exist yet.
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Addionally there's the distinction between enters the battlefield and cast-triggers. Even if Ugin is countered it will still trigger allowing you to target something. He'll never enter the battlefield as a permanent but Tectonic would still be targeted by Ugin after spell step resolves. Still making Tectonic the target of a spell and not the target of a permanents ability.
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@Rezzahan. Yeah it's making even less sense to me after digging deeper. It says non permanents cannot have triggered abilities. Ugins ability takes place before he's even in play as a permanent and only activates when he's successfully cast. Which would make him a resolved object and not a permanent during that step. The same step Ugin targets Tectonic Giant still being a spell.
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@Rezzahan. How sure are you about that? The text reads "when you cast this spell exile up to one target permanent" meaning before it even enters and becomes a plainswalker. Making it the target of the spell itself.
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@Rezzahan. I wasn't saying you're wrong about Tectonic Giant. We disagree sure. Personally I think all cards are spells until they hit the board. But you that does prove you have to be wrong about one of them.
Either you were incorrect in saying if you had a card that said "the next time you cast a black spell destroy target permanent" OR. You're wrong about Ugin being able to target Tectonic while still being a spell.
I wouldn't even question it if Ugin used his passive to exile my card by casting a colorless. However his effect comes in two parts.
One static from casting self and one triggered from casting others.
Magic has a lot of self checks.
It would be a lot easier to say the instant example was wrong because it would check the source and see it was a spell.