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    routergnome#42116 commented  · 

    I have experienced this bug twice in the latest patch. No apparent reason, but maybe related to X value. The card info also shows "flashback" though the card has no flashback.

    3 targets on the board (2 of the opponents, one of mine), none hexproof, paid 4 for x value, 2 blue mana, 4 white. It just skips the targeting part of the card and moves to the next phase as though 0 for X was paid.

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    routergnome#42116 commented  · 

    The rules aren't quite applying that way based on the interaction with Reflection Net.

    1. Reflection Net exiles Rampaging Ursaguana
    2. Reflection Net applies itself to a creature
    3. Creature is a copy of the card that was exiled, retaining its attack history
    4. Reflection Net is destroyed, and Rampaging Ursaguana returns to play.
    5. Rampaging Ursaguana's attack history has been wiped.

    Edit - it's possible that this scenario is a separate bug where, despite the target being affected "becoming a copy of a card exiled by Reflection Net", it actually is retaining the target's attack history, despite it supposedly becoming a copy of the card from exile, which supposedly has lost its attack history upon entering exile.

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    routergnome#42116 commented  · 

    And Spree cards interact poorly with ward for that reason. In other conditions the first order of business processes first. Spree is a separate mechanic. You go down the order on the card like other kinds of 'modal' options, but it's not just a normal modal card. If it's a 'Spree' then it is expected behavior to not simply be exactly like every other modal option.

    Cast glamer with both options. Target both creatures. Card then processes each Spree modality separately: target 1 -> effect. Target 2 -> ward -> effect.

    Maybe that's not how they want it to function or maybe they can't without altering the rules, but from my intuitive sense, a "spree" means doing one thing and then doing another, with them being performed in sequence. I like Spree cards generally, but not with how they interact with ward as i already explained. I don't have a problem with other modal cards triggering all wards for all modal options, because it's not expected to behave that way--its doing all things simultaneously, placed on the stack as you describe.

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    routergnome#42116 commented  · 

    I had this problem when attempting to use the card to both copy and redirect a saddling action.

    It allows me to copy the saddling action but does not allow me to add a new target, meaning that it does nothing.

    It does not allow me to change the target of the saddling action with the second part of the spree (it won't let me pay the mana cost), with or without the first part of the spree.

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    routergnome#42116 commented  · 

    But apparently hexproof doesn't stop a crime from being committed. Whether you return a spell to a player's hand or make the target of a crime hexproof so the spell never casts, the crime is committed. Derp.

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    routergnome#42116 commented  · 

    Apparently the target not existing and the target being hexproof is completely different. When it's hexproof it seems to make the spell fizzle, but if the target doesn't exist it still counts as a crime, go figure.

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    routergnome#42116 commented  · 

    When I posted I thought I was the starting player, but if what you say is how it should behave, then perhaps I was mistaken and it simply didn't do anything because I wasn't.

    However, I just had a similar issue the opposite way. The opponent cast Intruder's Inquisition on my King Darien XVIII and I sacrificed the target to make it invalid. The opponent had a Vadmir, New Blood which adds a counter when they commit a crime. The spell didn't do anything because my target no longer existed, making it an illegal spell, so why was a "crime" committed? Isn't that the same thing as making a target hexproof--the target becomes invalid so, in the case of Intruder's Inquisition, which only has one function, it should simply fizzle? Or is fizzling not a thing? I don't get it. Is it just that when a spell is cast, regardless of whether it does anything, that is the "crime"? I would think the "crime" would be thwarted by the fact that it doesn't do anything.

    I guess I've just been having a lot of these kinds of issues where I can't seem to make sense of what triggers what or what doesn't.

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    routergnome#42116 commented  · 

    Maybe I'm still thinking in terms of how the game used to work or something, where someone tries to cast a spell and i add a spell to the stack that resolves first, making the source be unable to trigger (because it's no longer in play) on the spell that casts afterwards.

    Of course, I also thought that if the target of a spell (that only has one function) is removed the spell fizzles, which also appears to not be the case.

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