All mill decks need to be banned. It detracts from the game in general. It is the worst idea ever derived in card games and destroys the fun of the game. Mill decks, as well as, hand discard decks are a problem. These play styles do not allow the other players to utilize strategies and that is the ultimate goal; to build a deck and utilize a strategic plan to overcome your opponent. When a strategy is, to not only counter a plan of action, but make ANY plan of action impossible, then that is cheating, plain and simple.

The goal of these games (besides to profit the creator) is to test ones intellectual abilities verses others. These archetypes to not allow that to happen and most just give up the minute they see the "cheat" begin.

Yeah its so stupid. How come my deck decides who I play? Is this how you are going to run live tournaments in the future? If not then don't subject us to it!

Changed mind completely. Mill decks are beatable, but you need to prepare with good counters, and make sure you've got a decent starting hand. With some of the newest cards available... Mill-ish decks are pretty fun.

I second everything salty ninja said. this deck has completely ruined the game for me, and a lot of people i know. god forbid i want to sit down after work for a fun game of magic, no. This deck has taken over everything from play ladder to ranked, a 1 cost 0/3 that effectively kills 5% of your entire deck on a LAND drop? what a joke. i seriously want to take this deck down to the wizards headquarters and play you guys for a few hours so you can see how broken this garbage really is. ive been playing magic my whole life and never have i seen something so disgusting to play with, and against. Additionally, the animation for mill is so ABSURDLY slow!!! why does it take nearly 6 seconds to mill 4 cards? How come when Gyruda hits the board, 4 cards mill before you can blink, but when they play - and THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS EVERY GAME - a ruin crab, then they play a land, then they play an enforcer, and another enforcer, so they mill what? 5 cards? WHY DOES IT TAKE 15 SECONDS TO MILL 5 CARDS ITS SO ABSURD! if you guys are seriously going to continue to promote this absolute garbage form of magic, atleast make it bearable to play against. The fact this has gone on for so long with such a large outcry from the community and you folks havent done anything about it, really *implies* how out of touch you are with the game. Standard is an absolute JOKE right now. fix it. ALSO, the #1 complaint i hear from other players, and why they wont spend money on your game and unfortunately i already have quite a bit, is because your algorithm is ridiculous. I *believe* the reason why i play rogue mill LITERALLY 50% of the time, is because i run a ONE OF midnight clock. if i play aggro, i get put up against mid range, if i play mid range, i get put up against aggro. if i put any form of graveyard retrieval - escapes, returns, etc.- I GET MATCHED AGAINST ROGUE MILL!!!! why cant there be more of a randomized generation of matches. I cant for the life of me understand why an algorithm would be put into place to literally force me to play against the same THREE decks every time i play. its disgusting. okay, yeah those three decks make up for what? 33% of the meta? WHERES THE JANK? im playing on the play ladder and you know what i see? ROGUE MILL, MONO RED, YORION CONTROL. you know why? BECAUSE YOUR MATCHMAKING SYSTEM IS NOT RANDOMIZED AND ITS DISGUSTING. i cant even enjoy myself. ruin crab is broken and you guys are all absolutely BLIND if you cant see it. A ONE DROP THAT MILLS 3 CARDS ON A LAND DROP!!! DO THE FREAKING MATH YOU GUYS ITS RIDICULOUS. Okay, ill do it for you, i know you guys are busy pumping out cosmetics for ROGUE MILL ON THE STORE. lets presume your running a 60 card deck. turn one, they ruin crab. turn two, they drop another ruin crab and then drop a fabled passage - TRIGGER - mill SIX = 10% OF YOUR ENTIRE FREAKING DECK. then they pop the fabled passage - TRIGGER - mill SIX = 10% OF YOUR ENTIRE FREAKING DECK!!!!! TURN TWO THEY MILL 20% OF YOUR ENTIRE DECK AND THEYLL DO IT AGAIN ON TURN THREE SO ON TURN THREE 40% OF YOUR DECK IS MILLED AND THATS IF THEY DONT PLAY ANOTHER RUIN CRAB OR A FREAKING THIEVES GUILD ENFORCER AND THEN DROWN IN THE LOCIASDKHGAH OGHUOAFGH AUIOH HFASHASHFUIOATGYHUIAGHFAHUIOFAHUIOSFHFHAIJSHFIJASIJFHASTFGAHTGUIOAHOFGAHUIOFHSIOAH

Fix this garbage OH MY GOD!!!!

edit: ohhh and if youre thinking there's answers for ruin crab, lighting bolt is banned, and only 3 or 4 cards in standard do 3 damage on turn two IF YOU EVEN HAVE IT IN YOUR HAND. and honestly its all so easy to fix. make ruin crab a 3 drop, or have 1 hp, make theives guild a legendary, make drown in the loch cost 10 mana and cost less mana for every card in their graveyard and make it uncounterable, idk how you guys got so lost on this one and let it go for so long

I wouldn't have wrote it in this particular manner, but I do share the frustration.

THESE CARDS NEED TO BE BANNED! THE FACT THAT IN MTG THERE EXISTS A STRATEGY THAT BY ONLY PLAYING LANDS AND HOLDING UP COUNTERS/REMOVAL THAT YOU CAN WIN! NEVER ATTACKING! NEVER DOING ANYTHING BUT PREVENTING YOUR OPPONETS FROM PLAYING MAGIC! THE MILL CRAB SHOULD NOT HAVE 3 TOUGHNESS AS A 1 DROP. THE MILL CRAB SHOULD NOT HAVE 3 CARDS PER TRIGGER. THE MILL CRAB SHOULD NOT BE SO HARD TO KILL. THE MILL CRAB SHOULD NOT WIN THE GAME BY ITSELF WITH ONLY LANDS BEING PLAYED. THE ENFORECER SHOULD NOT HAVE FLASH! THE ENFORCER SHOULD NOT ALWAYS TRADE UP! THE ENFORECER SHOULD BE LEGENDARY, AS IT IS A LORD, IT GETS UNMANAGEABLE VERY QUICKLY IN MULTIPLES. THE ENFORCER SHOULD NOT HAVE FLASH AND DEATHTOUCH!?! SERIOUSLY, WHO ON EARTH THOUGHT THAT A FLASH DEATHTOUCHING LORD WAS FAIR? THOUGHT-THIEF SHOULD HAVE 2 TOUGHNESS. THE CARD IS TO HARD TO KILL AND LIKE EVERY OTHER MILL CARD CAN BE PLAYED IN MULTIPLES DUE TO IT'S NON-LEGENDARY STAUTS, EVEN THO IT IS A LORD. THOUGHT THIEF AGAIN SELF ENABLES, CAN BE PLAYED IN MULTIPLES, AND ONLY LEADS TO GAMESTATES WHERE THE OPPONENT JUST WINS BY DOING NOTHING! THEY ATATCK A COUPLE TIMES TO GET THE MILL GOING THEN THEY SIT! THEY JUST SIT ON CRAB OR ENFORCER AND PLAY LANDS AND CREATURES! WHICH WOULD NORMALLY BE FINE IF THEY ALL DIDN'T PASSIVLEY MILL YOU FOR FREE, AT INSTANT SPEED, ON THE END OF YOUR TURN! AGAIN, THESE CARDS DO NOT PROMOTE INTERACTIVE GAMEPLAY, THEY DO NOT PROMOTE A HEALTHY META, THEY DO LITERAL NOTHING BUT CREATE A TOXIC ENVIRONMENT WHERE ONE PLAYER GETS TO WATCH AS ALL OF THEIR THREATS/SPELLS GET ANSWERED BY AN OPPONENT PLAYING A LAND, FLASHING IN A CREATURE, OR JUST HOLDING UP SPELLS TO AGAIN, PREVENT THE OTHER PLAYER FROM DOING ANYTHING! THIS MECHANIC IS HORRIBLE FOR NEW PLAYERS! IT IS HORRIBLE FOR THE WHAT IT DOES TO THE FORMAT AS A WHOLE! YOU CAN NOT EVEN BREW IN THIS FORMAT DUE TO THESE MILL CARDS! YOU HAVE TO PLAY 4 OF EVERY CARD YOU WANT TO PLAY OR ELSE LIVE IN FEAR OF NEVER BEING ABLE TO PLAY THAT CARD IN A MATCHUP BECAUSE 1 OF'S ARE A LIABILITY BECAUSE OF MILL! LITERAL NO FUN ALLOWED IF YOU ARE NOT THE MILL PLAYER! WHETHER IN GAME OR THE DECK BUILDER! YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT THIS MILL DECK IS A THING! YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT BY TURN 3 HALF OF YOUR LIBRARY WILL BE IN THE YARD, YOUR OPPONENT WILL HAVE MILLED THE 4 ANSWERS IN YOUR MAIN DECK, SO NOW THEY KNOW THE CARD IS NEVER DYING! NOTHING ABOUT MILL IS POSITIVE. SOMEONE FIND ONE THING ABOUT MILL AS A MECHANIC AND AT THE POWER LEVEL IT IS AT RIGHT NOW THAT IS GOOD FOR THE GAME! ONE THING! THERE IS NOTHING FUN, FAIR, OR BALANCED ABOUT IT! IT GIVES FREE WINS IN GAMES WHERE THE MILL PLAYER WOULD OTHERWISE NEVER WIN! THE MILL DECK CAN MAKE THE GAME END! JUST END! YOU CAN NOT PLAY ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CARDS SINCE I DREW 2 1 DROPS AND PLAYED LANDS! I AM THE BETTER PLAYER AND I SAY THAT YOU DON'T GET TO PLAY ANYTHING BECAUSE MY WIN CON IS YOU DOING NOTHING!!!!!!!!!! BAN MILL IT IS NOT GOOD FOR THE GAME PERIOD! THAT OR PRINT ACTUAL ANSWERS TO IT! NOT CARDS THAT REMOVE 4 CARDS FROM THE YAD AND COST 5! WHEN THEY CAN MILL ME FOR 50 CARDS BYT TURN 5! BALANCE IS ABOUT HAVING BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE EVEN OR NEAR EVEN! NOT THIS LOPSIDED FIELD YOU HAVE HAD US PLAYING IN FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS! YOU HAVE LITERALLY PRINTED CARDS TO MAKE ONLY CERTAIN COLORS PLAYABLE FOR YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAINLY GREEN, BLUE AND BLACK!