The simplest fix would just be to let everyone start with three mana. I have a deck with 30 lands in it, two of which are basic Forest. I start with those basic Forest more than I do. Any other lands completely insane

Never in my life of playing magic since like 1995 have I EVER had 4 land in my hand then proceeded to draw the next 6 cards being land.

Continuously.

Or never drawing land.

I couldn't possibly shuffle my decks this way if I tried.

It couldn't possibly be this hard to create a shuffle program to actually half assed randomize the cards could it?

I'd like to add that the % is similar in a 60 card deck, to get 15 out of 20 lands in the first 20 cards drawn. The fact that the match lasted this long is amazing to me. And it isn't the first time this has happened.

It only happens on one of my decks, and I am CERTAIN this is purposeful and not an accident.

is rigged, thats all

I know multiple people have posted about shuffling, but something needs to be done. Multiple games I get the same cards in triplet with my first couple of turns. In real life, I six way shuffle, insuring that my deck is split properly. I’m losing games because I can’t get a decent draw, I’ve even mulliganed to nothing and still draw bad. It’s even worse when you play a paid tournament.

You are playing against employees, thats why they will not be transparent with the log files like chess sites, you see if you saw the match you would start to realize that the game is pointless to play because every employee they hire is cheating to make sure you lose and spend more money.

I left about a year ago. I played draft all the time. I would love to come back and play draft once the shuffler is fixed. Fixing the shuffler will only make the company money.

There is no algorithm - just ******** devs

Plz fix your shuffler. Its not funny anymore. last month I was diamond 3. now I stuck in Platinum with the literally same deck. worse than that I lose 10 games in a row. Thats not normal. plz fix it. or open your algorithm to proof that your shuffler is fixed. but thank you. now i want to play neither alchemy nor draft or something else anymore. really really thank you.

This feels like a strategy to get me to play a different format, why is it happening every single game?

Shuffler is BROKEN. 60 card deck 23 mana still 75% of my games my first 15 cards I get 11 mana, fix the shuffler already years people have been reporting it and the company refuses. Honestly may just be best to delete the game and go back to collecting the cards. At least the shuffling in real life games is more balanced than this hunk of garbage.

I LOVE mtg, i enjoy playing the formats i do, i love collecting the cards. However, MTG arena makes me fking hate wizards with a passion. Although a gorgeous platform to play magic, it is by far the fking worst for these reasons.

1. The shuffle algorithm is fking garbage and with evidence from players that took the time to do the analyst, idk how wizards could ever come up with an excuse for such a **** algo. And im not making this up, it fking sucks. It makes the game borderline cancerous and easily makes anyone playing dislike the game as a whole. I lose games cause the algorithm feeds me 10 mana when in reality that doesn't happen.

2. There is no real way to collect cards and a good deck unless you fork over cash. Now YES you gotta pay for magic to play magic, but the difference is. I spend 90 bucks on MTG online to build a good pioneer deck and those cards are mine and i can resell them. These cards have no value on Arena and you have to spend twice as much to get 3 times less.

3. The formats are not balanced at all. For example; historic feels like inbetween pioneer and modern, but has cards that honestly are banned in both....so if you're not playing the deck with the most toxic cards, YOURE NOT PLAYING.

4, There seems to be no communication from the dev team to the community. In fact my feedback will go unheard and will collect dust in this ******** excuse of a forum. Never to be heard and never to be cared for but by players that come here to complain. This is the kind of **** which makes me lose faith in wizards. 2013 was peak magic....never will we go back to those days...

This jank game needs a complete rework with how terrible it runs

this trash plays nothing like magic on paper, this is a dumpster fire of a game

just trying to play a few games to enjoy myself and its always just the perfect counter to any and every deck that i make or switch too, wtf is wrong with your game wizards

every game in unranked is against something that has the perfect response immediately, even the decks that are over 100 cards? Garbage game is rigged so hard at this point it is not even enjoyable, when will wizards address the extremely sorry state that their matchmaker and shuffler is in?

I was playing Arena today, I play and enjoy the game A LOT. I mean no disrespect by this post I just would like an explanation.

So I usually just play historic casual matches. But lately (past week or two) Ive been getting into games where the opponent concedes immediately, or they are AFK and the timer forces them to concede. Like 9/10 they would concede before the first card is even played.

So I decided to try ranked, to see if there was less of that going on.

(I play life gain mainly. Its a 60 card custom deck with 24 lands and 36 creatures/artifacts/enchantments)

We start no problems, by mid game we were both at or above 20 life. My opponent plays a “destroy all creatures” sorcery. At this point im thinking “oh well, we both start at 0 again”

Its my turn now and I draw a 1 mana drop creature. Fine. I play it. Mind you there are only 5 plains under my control. (My highest casting card is 3 mana) I pass turn and my opponent draws a bigger creature (4/4 with a bunch of abilities/triggered abilities) fine. Luck of the draw I guess.

Its my turn again and I draw a land. I play it.

Its his turn again and he draws another big creature. Fine. Luck of the draw.

Except. I drew. And im not exaggerating here. 10 consecutive. Back to back lands.

I ended up losing because I couldn’t get any creatures out if my 30 total creatures in the deck. And thats fine, cannot win them all, oh well.

BUT i crunched some numbers and double and triple checked my math. (Even used AI to calculate the same number)

So in a 60 card deck. Containing 24 lands and 36 “other” cards. The probability of me drawing 10 CONSECUTIVE lands is this

0.0000022%.

Gemini (Googles AI) said and I quote “this is an extremely low probability and can almost be categorized as impossible.”

Ive run into this issue multiple times. As have many of you in sure. I know my friends have.

You build a deck. with an outstanding land to creature ratio. And you either end up drawing too much land. Or too many creatures.

And the funny thing is, it usually happens after about 5-6 back to back wins. Its like the more you win, the higher likelihood of your deck being stacked against you.

I did some digging and tried to see if WOTC had made an announcement regarding their random shuffler and how it determines what you draw. And as you could imagine, theres nothing. I understand why, I was just hoping for at least a “yes, our card shuffler is 100% randomized by a RNG.” Or something along those lines from WOTC. But theres nothing. It almost feels like its one of those “ plausible deniability” situations. Like oh, we never said it was random so no harm done.

But its people like me, and possibly people like you who are getting screwed by this. Ive been playing Magic a long time. Tabletop and digital. I know how to optimize decks. In table top. I have a life gain deck (similar to my digital deck) that is almost a 90% win chance. Because I have 4 of each creature/enchantment/artifacts that gain life constantly and consistently. I never have this issue.

I winder if they have a line of code somewhere that stacks the deck against people on a win streak. To keep the other people who may have been losing a bunch, happy.

Which is a very bad way of going about it IMO. People need to learn from why they are losing instead of just giving up. So encourage that! Stop being so stingy with wildcards? Would that help? Let people not have to grind so dang much for a single rare wildcard? To get a card that will improve their experience 10 fold.

This “random shuffler” doesn't seem to be random. Im going to take more data and use a very. Very. Large sample size. Its going to take some time but im willing to put in the work.

Just to be absolutely 100% clear here.

I will be taking notes and taking data in new notebooks and will IN NO WAY use any scripts or code on my computer. Ive read the terms of services and I know thats a big ol no no. So Ill do it on paper and save the data. Im actually looking forward to this because I like investigating things of this nature. More to come.

Here is a thought, fix your fking shuffling in your game!!!!!!! LITERALLY MAKES ME FKING HATE ARENA BEYOND IMAGINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLY FK, your ******** game clumps non-lands together and lands together.....

Hélas, c'est de cette façon que cette entreprise crée de la frustration chez les joueurs et qui a pour effet de les encourager à dépenser de l'argent dans le jeux, toutes les entreprises qui gèrent un F2P utilisent le même mode opératoire pour s'enrichir sur le dos des joueurs.

They can't admit that it's awful because they won't admit that it's one of the ways they try to force one player to be the winner.