fire your staff and hire people with real skill to fix your shuffler which is really just a card stacking device with no randomization to it. i will never spend money on this game

TLDR: Unless they add a game mode that’s completely random matchmaking I am done with this garbage game and going to paper only.

Came here to add to the list of frustrated players, I’m about to uninstall Arena. My main complaints are…. You guessed it… The matchmaking and shuffling.

I can deal with the poor shuffling, although it sucks loosing games from drawing 10 creatures or lands on a row with no mix of the two. I’m totally done with the matchmaking though. I either get paired with people that have top tier meta decks packed with rares and mythics who trigger 30 abilities every turn, or the EXACT counter to my deck that perfectly undermines every card I throw out every turn.

God forbid that somehow, against all odds I actually manage to pull off a few wins in a row… the game decides to shut you down and get 30 losses in a row.

I’ve been playing all morning at work due to it being very slow. I put together a new all black deck that had me getting some decent wins at about a 60-70% ratio. Once I got to 10 wins, EVERY game is now a loss. I’ll be close to a win, but then the op pulls that one card that lets them draw three cards, destroy 2+ creatures and gain life and counters all in the same turn ending the game.

Side note of how I build my decks:

I am new to arena only playing for a few weeks now. I found my old box of cards from middle school while moving and it got me into MTG again. I’m mostly free to play, only spending money on the season pass once and a couple of packs here and there so my cards are limited.

I pick a color/play style that I am going for and use whatever random cards I have that kind of work together to make up most of the deck. Then I’ll use 1-3 wild cards (if I have any) to fill in where the deck is lacking. I hardly play any of the “popular” or “meta” cards. All my decks are pretty unique in comparison to everyone else, yet usually come up with something that is actually pretty strong and unexpected since it’s not “meta” like all the try hards play.

But every time… I start getting wins and the game says..NOPE, no more wins for you today… and the losing streak begins.

…End of rant, if you made it to the end I salute you!

The draw algorithm has been proven to cheat. How the game draws cards as per your website is against the rules of magic. There is no reason why i should consistantly draw 3 copies of one card. Put 24 lands in a deck and you get 2 lands total all game. Put 20 lands in a deck and you get all lands. Make it at least make sense. You have been given evidence upon evidence of all of this and you still refuse to fix the main issue with the game. Every paper magic player i have encountered complains about your cheating shenanigans. I have even drawn 5 copies of cards in one game. Sometmes it has been 5 turns in a row drawing the same card. Just fix it and stop the ****.

quick Question . how is it possible to properly tune a deck when your shuffler keeps either massive amounts of mana or almost none every game. Like seriously how can you tune a deck without being able to figure out if you have too much land or not enough. last 10 games have been either 12+ land runs or by turn 10 struggling with only 3 or 4 lands. I really dont know how it is possible. Are you guys suggesting we abandon trying to build our own decks and just use net decks, or only ply mono aggro decks? Or are you just trying to alienate the crafting part of the community?

As the title says.

aunque tengo un mazo de 60 cartas siempre juego con 4 o 5 cartas que tocan tras barajar, en otros combates decaparecen las tierras, y en otro combates solo me salen encantamientos, buen algoritmo, entiendo que se premie de alguna manera al que compra asiduamente pero es vergonzoso

just wanted to point out the algorithm used by your shuffler is showing patterns that could be exploited. I have been playing and recording my game data for long enough that I can see the patterns used by your shuffler. Such as I know when I'm going to get mana flooded because this specific card appears in my opening hand, or when I'm going to get a god draw because this other card is in my opening hand . It is also possible to predict the next card draw I'm going to get. And this is all just playing the game without any programs running other then your game. You really should go back to the old shuffler for ranked games and events as the hand smoothing thing is a huge failure .

The shuffling algorithm is garbage. I have a deck the sat has 84 lands and in the last 10 games, 7 of them had me receive less than 2 lands in the first 5 turns that's bullsh*t!!!

That's no way whatever algorithm you use wouldn't give the player a card that is literally 1 out of every 4 cards in the deck.

This deck only has twenty lands in an even split.

Just remember they deleted the old shuffler algo posting the current pic is about a year old..the most recent shuffler topic had over 3k hits with 10k plus comments..trust me wizards does not care what we think..its all about cranking out half *** product and shoving alchemy down our throats..and if they happen to go out of their way to ban your account or comments or threads chances are you hit the nail on the head..wizards knows exactly what they are doing..remember "IT'S WORKING AS INTENDED "

I hope you look all day, because frankly its unplayable. I watch guys with 4 or 5 color decks draw or have every land when they need it. Do I need to pay an insider to rig the algo for me?

There is no way, I have played all night. There has been 40 percent chance to draw lands all day no lands lose lose lose lose, do I need to go fifty percent 90 percent, its a draft and how the **** do these people have all the good cards, I mean every single one, there is just no way unless the game is rigged or they are cheating.

The game is absolutely horrible. And I hope anyone who has the brains to read these comments before downloading doesn’t spend a dime, or better yet, just downloads a better game. It’s unplayable period. The algorithm is completely messed up. It forces you to spend money to be able to make better decks. But it still doesn’t help because the shuffler is also rigged so that you still lose due to mana swamp or mana poor scenarios. DONT PLAY THIS GAME. ITS TRASH.

You should public declare how the shuffler works because lot of players complain about it.
Read the comments left to the app…

I run go-shintai shrine tribal in historic brawl. The deck runs 36 lands. The algorithm that "randomizes" my hand has been giving me two lands in my starting hand with annoying regularity, several times I've had to mull down to 0 and it still won't give me more than two.

Make your algorithm truly random. Don't force a balance in my hand I don't want, this has never happened with the paper copy of it I have.

Here are a couple of times I remembered to screenshot the hijinks.

Please, please, implement a way to opt out of the hand-smoothing and matchmaking algorithms. I've been tracking my games and I lose way more to the shuffler than to my own mistakes/opponents. I get hands that start with two mana and then no mana til turn six while you are drawing all the most expensive cards in your deck, or hands that start with 3 and boy those other 4 better be good because you have 5-6 lands on the top of your deck to fight whatever your opponent gets. It's like you want to remove needing to understand math and probability out of the game and make sure it's dumbed down enough for everyone. Problem is, that fundamentally changes the game for the worse (doesn't even feel like real Magic, more like a competitor knock-off) and makes veteran players who in some cases (like myself) have almost 30 years of experience building decks, supporting YOUR game and money-maker want to walk away from this platform. I'd rather go back to playing on busted third party unofficial platforms that at least offer random matches and random shuffling as opposed to your "curated to remove the need for intelligence" style of matchmaking and shuffling. At this point, it is OBVIOUS to everyone that this is a terrible system. Please, if you're so fond of the algorithm, at least allow players to opt out of it so you guys can still milk the people who can't add or cipher probabilities for themselves while still letting those of us who can do math to enjoy the game as we do in paper. You don't get to hand select or get paired with people based on what you and they are playing, again this is not native to Magic the Gathering and fundamentally changes the game for the worse. Please, don't kill this game to make a buck. They've already done that with the environment and people's minds, not Magic too, please!!

I can't agree more with Mystic Squid (previous comment), I've been tracking my games and I lose way more to the shuffler than to my own mistakes/opponent. I get hands that start with two mana and then no mana til turn six while you are drawing all the most expensive cards in your deck, or hands that start with 3 and boy those other 4 better be good because you have 5-6 lands on the top of your deck to fight whatever your opponent gets. It's like you want to remove needing to understand math and probability out of the game and make sure it's dumbed down enough for everyone. Problem is, that fundamentally changes the game for the worse and makes veteran players who in some cases (like myself) have almost 30 years of experience building decks, supporting YOUR game and money-maker want to walk away from this platform. I'd rather go back to playing on busted third party unofficial platforms that at least offer random matches and random shuffling as opposed to your "curated to remove the need for intelligence" style of matchmaking and shuffling. At this point, it is OBVIOUS to everyone that this is a terrible system. Please, if you're so fond of the algorithm, at least allow players to opt out of it so you guys can still milk the people who can't add or cipher probabilities for themselves while still letting those of us who can do math to enjoy the game as we do in paper. Please, don't kill this game to make a buck. They've already done that with the environment and people's minds, not Magic too, please!!

It is soooo frustrating. I played 13 times today loos 11 times. There is nothing I can do. The decks i play are top decks, have curves, have win-cons. But I ALWAYS(!) got matchups where my opponent gets a smooth curve and I don't get any of the cards that would deal with the situation. Also I play aggro I get a nicely curved out control deck as opponent - I play control on the opposit I immetiately get a nicely curved out aggro deck like boros or enchantemnts and loose immediately. I play an anti-enchantments deck and suddenly no enchantments opponents anymore while 6-7 out of 10 games before have been selesnya-enchantment. The point is if you look at the stats on i.eg aetherhub the decks are not that present in the meta. So it must be rigged. I understand that such loosing streaks might happen but this what I experienced is without a doubt systematically and really creating the worst game experience. Why do I stick to it. Because I invested in cards. You know that wizards. What's the purpose of creating such imbalances and injustices into the gameplay? Why do you favor players among other players wizards? What is your agenda?

Absolutely maddening. I’ve been playing for 2 years now and nothing has changed. It has become predictable how the match will turn out. No third mana till turn 5 or completely mana swamped till turn 12 or 13. The matchmaking is an absolute joke. I don’t know how we keep punishing ourselves by playing this rigged game.