Product Suggestion Leave Historic Alone
With the new Alchemy format, can we please have it separated from Historic? You are going to be nerfing cards considering the standard environment, please leave them alone for Historic decks.
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KaptinPlanit#05599 commented
Terrible move, WOTC. I think it's safe to say a majority of people speaking up about this product view it as negative for the game as a whole. Time to listen to the people actually spending money instead of the financial department. Are you hurting for cash? According to your earnings call you've already more than doubled revenue just last year. Appreciating the people who actually give you money has got to be seen as a priority over corporate bonuses.
If you think this won't ripple outside of MTGA I think you're sorely mistaken.
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Dancow#53540 commented
Not a fan of this at all. The title says it all, leave historic alone. Do your digital only cash grabs and try to grab the Hearthstone crowd if you absolutely must, but leave players that want to enjoy Magic the way that it was designed to be played out of it. If I wanted to play Hearthstone, I would play hearthstone. Keep your Hearthstone cards out of Historic MtG please and do not force the Alchemy nerfs into Historic. As a player who does not live near a decent LGS, Arena has been absolutely awesome but I don't like this new direction to try and turn MTG into some bizzaro Hearthstone. Thanks for your time.
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Terragoth#32618 commented
I hate both the haphazard, sloppy nature of the digital-only cards and the introduction of a "no refunds" balancing system in a game economy that is already horribly stingy.
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TunaHotPockets#80631 commented
Alchemy sounds like a fun and refreshing format. I'm excited to buy packs for it and try it out. However, this is entirely dependent on if it affects Historic or not. Alchemy should be its own thing and its cards should not be legal for use in any other format.
If Alchemy gets forced onto Historic, I'll be opting out of both formats and not playing Arena for anything but Draft. MY wallet will also be closed to any future purchases in the store.
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ajbartomeo#54143 commented
I am against having Alchemy rebalanced cards affecting Historic. If this idea goes through, what's to stop WOTC from rebalancing older cards available only in Historic if they think they are too powerful or broken? That is why cards are banned or suspended.
They already ruined Historic when they introduced the Mystical Archive from Strixhaven into the format. This might make things worse.
As a paper player, I signed up for Arena as a way to practice so I can become a better player when I go to play FNM or commander at my local store. Now with the digital only cards and Alchemy rebalanced stuff, the value of Arena for me has greatly diminished.
At least I can opt not to use the Arena only cards in my decks, but I won't be able to do that for the rebalanced cards from Alchemy.
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fbn#08314 commented
Historic is the last format I enjoyed on Arena. Do your digital only things but give me at least the option to opt-out.
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nosound#73855 commented
What is this products suggestion for if WOTC doesn IGNORE 1k+ customers telling them that no one wants or asked for something? Just delete this page WOTC/Hasbro if you just ignore it when you know you have nothing to reply to the arguments proposed here to change something.
We ALL say the same thing, it’s clear your Historic move is only for greed, there’s no other explanation on changes on a permanent format that players play exactly because is permanent.
And you just IGNORE it. Since the announcement, like many others, I’m not opening Arena nor playing it, surely will never do it again knowing that my cards will be changed.
I’m actually enjoyng RUNETERRA like others, maybe it’s time to move on to a developer/company that actually doesn’t ignore 1k+ customers telling them they’re wrong and no one wants one of the changes they were thinking about.
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Ceal#43555 commented
I agree about not using Standard nerfs to affect Historic, but I'd like new alchemy cards to be added to Historic. If you want at some point to balance Historic, do it independently from Alchemy.
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RoboNerd#44688 commented
As a person who cannot afford competitive paper Magic formats, Historic was my go to for scratching that itch and having a lovely time (minus Mystical Archives). I for one DO NOT support these proposed changes to Historic. Alchemy as an idea would be great for balancing and making the meta fresh and exciting from time to time IF it was limited to Standard, with the needed cards reverting to their paper forms when they rotate. I fear you WOTC will lose more than gain with this decision. So, for your profits, may I instead suggest you actively work towards making the client better for functionality and give players what they want: Pioneer, or just leave Historic alone. You give the Customer (also called Player) what they want, you get money in return. Shareholders happy, customer's happy. Everybody wins.
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LoisLookI'mPicklePeter#79920 commented
Exactly. It is ridiculous that a card gets nerfed in a format because it is too strong in another. Where is the logic here?
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Oberon Kenobi#78267 commented
Wow WotC. Looks like UNIVERSAL DISDAIN for this decision. Time to walk it back.
Duck you and duck Hasbro, you money-grubbing, greed-soaked pieces of trash.
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AleelA#34046 commented
If you want to add the Alchemy format, ok. But don't touch other formats like Historic or Historic Brawl.
I am against how you are handling Alchemy.
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AngeloAuditore#44704 commented
Keep the only eternal format intact or add pioneer. That way everybody will have options, normal standard, alchemy, Historica as an eternal format with all cards in Arena, and Pioneer as a non-rotating format with paper-only cards.
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Calthness#22172 commented
Alchemy may be a great idea for giving a "balance" to standard but it can be a terrible idea for the historic cause it is alredy an "unstable" format for its "eternal digital only" nature, specially if you think about all the random cards from the various antologies and jumpstart... It really should be left alone.
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themanwiththecat#36747 commented
Agreed with these sentiments. Please leave the format alone. Or.. introduce Pioneer, you're only about 80 cards away from playable legal Pioneer on Arena.
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resonanteye#57152 commented
let the original cards stay as they are in historic or refund wild cards for every single one that's nerfed.
it'll be a nice "alternative standard" mode but shouldn't effect historic
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nosound#73855 commented
Adding my comment and vote to this! All fine introducing Alchemy, but Historic is there to be a STATIC format for us who want to play Arena like TABLETOP game.
You say you add things to make all groups of users happy, but you are not.
Obviously MANY PLAYERS like to play Historic as a tabletop, if you want add Alchemy Historic (that will not be a big success as it’s a contradiction in intensions), but there’s no reason to apply changes to Historic..if not that you hope to MAKE MORE MONEY hoping that people will KEEP CHANGING cards.
DISGRACEFUL move WOTC, GREED will not lead you anywhere. Like others, if you’ll change the cards of my static Historic decks I’ll not buy more, I’ll STOP PLAYING.
Also DISRESPECTUL move towards all players who invested in lots of Wildcards to buy some key Historic cards for their Historic decks that you might decide to change at your will.
Once again, the only possible reason for this change is WOTC wanting Historic players to SPEND MORE MONEY instead of them being more stable around a format that doesn’t rotate.
LEAVE ALONE HISTORIC AND MAKE AN ALCHEMY HISTORIC IF YOU REALLY HAVE TO!
And you are so greedy to ‘force’ Historic players into ‘rotation’ money sinkhole, then as others say I wanto be refunded for every wildcard I spent making a historic card that that I thought was ‘mine’ and instead you can decide at any moment to change the rules.
It’s OBVIOUS to everyone that you’re just finding new ways of milking your loyal users (the one who really spend money with you), otherwise you would do Alchemy for all these ‘newcomers’ and leave untouched something no one asked you to change.
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FakeMj#15335 commented
Please leave this format alone!
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SpacetimeCadet#50948 commented
This announcement more or less defeats the purpose of the non-rotating nature of Historic if cards are going to be regularly subjected to errata. I play Historic because it's possible to learn the format and the play experience is stable, and evolves with new releases. Please consider keeping Alchemy in its own little bubble for these theoretical players that want their format to change every other day.
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orangesunshine#80705 commented
I welcome Alchemy but please oh please leave historic and historic brawl alone most of the busted cards in the recent standard are totally balanced in historic so why the change? Even though most of nerfed cards so far are unplayable in historic(except luminarch aspirant), it's just unnerving and induces anxiety. Please reconsider.