shuffler
Fix your Shuffler Arena. I am so sick and tired of the insane game swings of one game getting completely mana screwed and the very next game getting completely flooded. It never fails. If lose for bad plays on my own part, fine. But I am so **** tired of losing because of severe mana ***** or flood. FIX. YOUR. SHUFFLER.
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AetherFlux#07762
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Fix the shuffler, running deck, 18 lands, 21 creatures, 21 spells. on the play, started with 2 lands in hand as is good ratio, 2 non spells and 3 creatures. proceeded to top deck 3 lands, also, one starting land was cavern of souls and first draw was also cavern of souls. i only run 2. the odds of that are 1/30 times 1/53. no way in ****.
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AetherFlux#07762
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to clarify, i mean give rewards to people who were unfarily cheated against because of shuffler.
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AetherFlux#07762
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Running a deck during a standard event, use 18 lands 21 creatures, 21 non creatues. both of my starting hands, i mulliganed 1x, had 1 cavern of souls and 1 shivan reef. i only run 2 caverns and 4 reefs. Odds of that happening are astronomically low, only lost because shufler ****** me once again, we came to play magic not bend over. This is the third loss during this standard event i lost solely due to shuffler cheating for the opponent. fix this ****, give rewards for cheating.
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AetherFlux#07762
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Running deck with 18 lands, 21 creatures, 21 non creature spells. started hand with 2 land 4 creatures. proceeded to draw 3 lands. making the total cards seen by turn 4 5 lands 4 creatures 2 non creatures. Odds are extremely off from 1:3 deck ratio. Fix the shuffler, this is why arena is dying
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AetherFlux#07762
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log attatched forgot to put it in original.
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AetherFlux#07762
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turn 6, playing diamond 1, deck with 18 lands, 21 creatures, 21 non creatures. opponent went through 8 cards total, and had all 4 brutal cathars. there is no way in **** he achieved that without shuffler cheating shananigans.
turn 6 on the play, i had 6 lands, 7 creatures and 4 spells, with drawing 3 extra cards from codebreaker.
again these odds are literally impossible and would never happen in actual magic, this is why arena is dying, we came to play magic not bend over for the shuffler. Fix your **** -
SmokeMajic3721#91410
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Fix the shuffler. I was playing draft. 17 lands in 40 cards. I kept a 7 card starting hand with 4 lands. I played 5 total turns in the game, where I drew a land card all 5 turns. The chances of drawing 5 lands in a row are astronomically low.
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GoWokeGoBroke#59614
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If the shuffler, and the server code, weren't made to manipulate draws and act fairly, they wouldn't have a problem submitting their code to a 3rd party for review. This process is done by online poker rooms to assure the fairness of their games. Wizards absolutely refuses to do this. That should tell you all you need to know about the fairness of their games.
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Kannmanda#44442
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They're not able to.
It's easier to teach a chicken not to **** in the yard.There is still no pass button in the game to offer the opponent go to endstep...
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Itsthawiz89#67502
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I'm recording video proof of the way the algorithms work. If your can record a consistent pattern there's no way they can defend against that in court. I want my money back for this rigged game!
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Pugageddon#93398
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Tagging in here, I started building decks with 26+ lands in order to stop the mana ***** of the hand smoother, and I STILL open with and mulligan to 2 land hands a surprising number of times. I should be experiencing 3-5 land hands on the regular but I don't. In real life 23 lands is usually sufficient for the midrange piles I like to build, but on arena it makes the deck completely unplayable.
On the other hand, my limited experience is different. In regular drafts my mana generally is fine. There's more mana *****/flood games than I'd like, but it's not too far off of an expectation for a random sample and I almost always get 4-7 wins, usually 5+. In quick draft though? I routinely get shafted on lands- either I draw all of one color with only spells of the other color, or I never see a third land. I almost never win more than 1 game in a quick draw match, and it is definitely not a skill issue. It is maddening.
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MtGEmPty#75115
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Agreed - it's a complete joke - always has been - in the Beta they had a forum where this was discussed in length - but the fan bois kept up their usual rhetoric. The official answer from WOTC was the " both players have the same shuffler so it's fair and balanced" they do not care about actual game play experience. The shuffler is a meme. I just completed a set of games that the opponent had a deck of 250 cards and somehow always had the perfect response to my plays - I had won 3 in a row at that point, then surprise - 3 losses. In 6500 games I am at 51% - on the draw 45% on the play 55% - Shows the obvious issues. They do not care - I don't spend a penny on this ****.
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Ipz#01386
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Your shuffler is rigged. When you get a hand you'll have one of several possibilities.. Creatures, removal, land... Etc, whatever your deck is based off.. ie: enchantments, creatures, whatever. You never seem to get a random 7 drop with a creature, removal, etc. So you get rotated through various scenarios until you do hit a golden hand. If you watch your opponent, they'll be in one of those scenarios too. They'll have all the reactions, no creatures, all the creatures and no reactions, or just put down stuff like artifacts or enchantments.
Your Discord community is toxic. I wasn't rude with my issue but was muted for using the feature in the discord to post my Feedback. They said they warned me about conspiracy theories? We're talking about a shuffler, not the illuminati
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Wade the Wizard#03197
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There is a 99.205% probability that I should draw 1 of 4 cards in the first 41 draws. I did not draw 1 of my 4 cards.
WTF?!! This is INSANE!!! Your "Shuffle Algorithm" is absolute ****! Why rig the game? I just want a fair platform to play MTG, but you've created some absurd manipulation.
There is so much feedback concerning the "shuffle" and you don't do anything. Whatever's good for business I guess. Shame on you!
The game would be exponentially more FUN! if you had a basic-*** random shuffle algorithm.
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MysticSquid#48745
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when are you going to stop directly interfering with games. Some of us do not have the time to play best of 3 and I would really like to play without hand smoothing. It is the absolute worse thing MTG has ever done and having been with MTG since the beginning , I do know what I am talking about. Add the fact that I have been tracking my games since before hand smoothing I can honestly tell you mana *****/flood was less of an issue with the old shuffler. So either your development dept has no clue what they are doing or you are intentionally modifying the hands and the way games play out. Would it be so hard to let those of us play best of 1 with the old shuffler? Just give us a new game mode and those of us might actually continue to support your game again, I know for myself I stopped when I realized just how bad hand smoothing was for the game.
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CanTebdo#16316
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Another day, same problem. Getting to have 7 lands in a deck with 18 total lands is a big problem, it means that the system's algorithm works very badly, but the opponent in front of me always has the right card at the right time (let's be clear their deck was better too, but I'd like to play, even if it's just figuring out how to beat a disadvantageous matchmaking).
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CanTebdo#16316
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Another time (i play 24 lands)
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CanTebdo#16316
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3 games in a row that I play with my two cards in mono copy in the deck
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CanTebdo#16316
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Hello, even today you can find me here talking about card shuffling and mana flood. Even yesterday Wizzard's support scammed me with the classic bot message, they don't even read what is written in the reports. Today I played in the standard event where I made 13 because I drew in 4 games in a row from the fourth card onwards in identical order 2x reckless impulse and 4x wrenn's resolve, for 4 games in a row, I lost 2500 gold "gaining" 50 gems.
Now, I understand that actually this thing can happen in a real game, but 4 times in a row seems beyond the realistic statistic, to give you an example if we roll a D6 die it has only a 0.0046% chance of getting 3 times the 6. Now, without going into detail, the fact that he has drawn the exact same 6 cards 4 times in a row in the exact same order, we can imagine that it has a value much lower than 0.0046% without calculating it.
This is the umpteenth time I've lost resources because of shuffling, do we want to do something or do you like to read criticism? Is this platform for anything? Again, if it had happened on MTGO, how long would it have taken you to fix it? 2/3 minutes? Money is nice, I know, Wizard, but I'll already give you a lot of it on paper, at least let me test the decks on Arena, so you'll only lose the audience and possible future customers. -
CanTebdo#16316
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Hello, even today you can find me here talking about card shuffling and mana flood. Even yesterday Wizzard's support scammed me with the classic bot message, they don't even read what is written in the reports. Today I played in the standard event where I made 13 because I drew in 4 games in a row from the fourth card onwards in identical order 2x reckless impulse and 4x wrenn's resolve, for 4 games in a row, I lost 2500 gold "gaining" 50 gems.
Now, I understand that actually this thing can happen in a real game, but 4 times in a row seems beyond the realistic statistic, to give you an example if we roll a D6 die it has only a 0.0046% chance of getting 3 times the 6. Now, without going into detail, the fact that he has drawn the exact same 6 cards 4 times in a row in the exact same order, we can imagine that it has a value much lower than 0.0046% without calculating it.
This is the umpteenth time I've lost resources because of shuffling, do we want to do something or do you like to read criticism? Is this platform for anything? Again, if it had happened on MTGO, how long would it have taken you to fix it? 2/3 minutes? Money is nice, I know, Wizard, but I'll already give you a lot of it on paper, at least let me test the decks on Arena, so you'll only lose the audience and possible future customers.