Algorithm Improvement
I'm sure you're getting a lot of complaints about how one-sided your algorithm is not being impartial and often times screwing over players with land draws that should not be happening in a purely random sample - so my complaint can be added to that pile.
But, an idea for changing the algorithm to improve randomization would be having the program assign a number to each card remaining in a deck and pile shuffling the cards into X amount of piles (let's say 6). It can repeat this process Y amount of times then take the middle of the pile and put those cards on top. A better template would be from the card shuffler for poker sets from stores.
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Zemau#76500 commented
This issue is the number one reason I get fed up with arena. I want to try a deck out against more then one type of deck. I have reported this problem before and Wizards does not care to fix it. I will probably be leaving arena soon because of it.
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Phantus#60520 commented
Arena is still a nightmare because of your matchmaking algorithms. I choose a control deck, I get matched with Aggro, I choose a Giants deck I get matched with a Giant deck, I choose a white ****** deck and get matched with a cheap burn deck. Does paper Magic have an algorithm? Why take a good game and ruin it? Doesn't make any sense. I'm out after Forgotten Realms if you guys don't stop fixing matches.
I'd like a reply from someone that details what you think you're accomplishing.
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TheFoulRal#26386 commented
why bother...they're not going to do anything to fix it
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Kalucynation#57830 commented
Pffffff change that fckn algorithm !! Go from 9-1 to 9-10, are you serious ?? Always the same match up ???
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Fraska#35245 commented
I 100% agree with this. Before I started playing arena I thought that Call of Duty WarZones matchmaking algorithm was the most frustrating thing in video games. Then I started playing Arena and realized just how wrong I was. Spending money on this game is a complete rip off. All it does is ***** over your matchmaking
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Fraska#35245 commented
I never thought I would say this but this matchmaking algorithm is even more frustrating than the one used by Call of Duty WarZone. I really enjoy Magic but after weeks of a 10% win rate I will absolutely be boycotting this game. The most frustrating part is that everything was going great until I bought $60 worth of packs. Since then I have been getting hammered by the matchmaking algorithm and I am forced to boycott this game until they either add a mode where you can play against the computer like you could in Magic Duels or they fix Matchmaking. Why would I play a game that just makes me angry.
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Rancid Renegade#66566 commented
Do something about matchmaking
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Rancid Renegade#66566 commented
Do something about matchmaking
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Keldan#79342 commented
The reason why this behaviour is killing the game is that, as a result of the frustration many players (no shame, including me) do not concede any more, they (I) just leave open the game until all timeouts goes away, wasting time and annoying other players.
Does this sound new to you? It has become a gameplay strategy: I cannot win against an unfairly stronger competitor so I just waste my time and his, hoping is getting bored and leaves the game/concede.
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Keldan#79342 commented
no actual need to read full comments, the title itself explains: I consider me an average player, with pretty good setup of cards for Standard (not yet for Historic) and I always play almost the same way (I mean I rarely Mulligan, quite often attack and sacrifice creatures, etc..) so what? With the same set of decks (I rotate 6-7 decks) there are days in which I win 7 games in a row and days in which I loose 10 games straight. Is this ever possible? It's always me, with my playstyle and my decks. There is obviously something broken not only in the mathcmaking but also in the (not) shuffling mechanism: Wizards decides who wins (those who spend more $$$, I guess) and who lose. Completely unfair.
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Valor_of_Bunny#38107 commented
I don't think I've ever complained about a game in the 2 decades or so I've played online games, but whatever you've got going on with your algorithm seems almost spiteful of the playerbase. I hadn't played in a year or so, started back again a few months ago and had an incredibly variety of deck types I'd play against. You know. Fun, that thing. Now it seems like 90% of the players play top tier control decks and the other 10% play "this is my first game" decks and it makes it all but pointless to play anything other than 50% MR/50%R control decks. Cuz why try to build the algorithm for fun when you can just force the playerbase to spend money buying the digital cards they need if they even want a chance of winning, right?
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TFX Wretched#04982 commented
Hey WOTC! Maybe listen to the peeps ******** about matchmaking?????? CAUE IT IS A PROBLEM! ffs
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Sven0314#88394 commented
Option to shuffle the cards, maybe multiple times, before games. It seems that they just cycle rather than get a good Shuffle and the option to shuffle a few times before a match would give people comfort.
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2deff#23418 commented
So since going 7-1, my win/loss record is
3-20. If I play mono-black: Im matched vs artifact ramp. If I play ramp: Im matched vs. goblins. If I play red aggro: matched vs. angels.I understand the idea: serve your customers losing streaks to pressure them into buying gems, so they can build more decks and stop losing. Does this really make more money than just letting people play the actual game?
If you think I’m the ******* here, then tell people the truth about Arena. If you believe that what you’re doing is acceptable, and that you are doing nothing wrong - then why do you hide the nature of your algorithms/scripts? If ‘everyone is on the same level playing field’ is true, then tell people why you manipulate matches. Because in the actual game of MtG, everyone is on a level playing field. There is no need for interference to ‘make the experience better’ That’s a straight up lie.
You may have a lot of people fooled right now, but that will change. Greed is going out of style; this deception and contempt for your customers will be looked back upon with regret.
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2deff#23418 commented
The various metrics you guys track to apply punishments/offer up easy wins have way too much influence on the outcome of matches. Here is an example:
I made a new traditional historic deck. I started out 7-1 with it. Now I’m 8-10. So it felt stupidly easy at first, but over the last 10 matchups, I’ve had really bad opening hands, and draws so consistently awful its just ridiculous. It doesn't take a savant to recognize that the game is stacking thedeck against me.
This aggressive manner of influencing games makes it feel like I’m not playing a game at all, but watching a scripted event. You can tell when the algorithms have targeted you for punishment, it’s very frustrating. I’m surprised that you didn’t opt for a more subtle approach; it’s so clumsy I don’t see how you can possibly be satisfied with it. When you get favorable matchups and great draws for 10 games, the terrible draws and almost exclusively matched vs. counters - thats a bad product.
Improve it, or don’t. But the ‘******** we don't care’ attitude is alienating people.
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daviddrako1982#57490 commented
This isnt even an exaggeration, I spent coins on two events and played every single round never drawing a single mana card.... that is ridiculous.... especially when I was playing a mana ramping deck... fix your ****** algorithm so its actually playable....
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Atom Cat#70814 commented
It is clearly not a coin toss... the odds over hundreds of games that opponent nearly always goes first is next to impossible. What algorithm does Arena use to select who goes first ? It should be identified in tutorial as much like chess, going first does have a slightly greater win % than going second.
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Maxory#61516 commented
True, if you want to play this "beautiful" game (mtg Arena) you must know that:
- your deck building skills are useless
- your ability to think is useless
-your gaming experience is useless
Becouse everything is managed by an algorithm that decides who to go against based on the cards you have, to make the gameplay better based on what the programmers say.
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Maxory#61516 commented
I agree that matchmaking is done badly, everyone keeps complaining and the programmers still don't do anything to make the game fun ...
right now if you want to play magic, the algorithms will decide if you will almost certainly lose or almost certainly win, I am seriously considering quitting the game. -
Maxory#61516 commented
I agree, the programmers say that everything is fine, but we are the players and playing we realize that something is wrong, it is a very poor algorithm, badly done, it is ridiculous that many online card games work and do not have any geniuses as programmers ... it's shameful.