Algorithm Improvement
I'm sure you're getting a lot of complaints about how one-sided your algorithm is not being impartial and often times screwing over players with land draws that should not be happening in a purely random sample - so my complaint can be added to that pile.
But, an idea for changing the algorithm to improve randomization would be having the program assign a number to each card remaining in a deck and pile shuffling the cards into X amount of piles (let's say 6). It can repeat this process Y amount of times then take the middle of the pile and put those cards on top. A better template would be from the card shuffler for poker sets from stores.
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The_Dark_Tutor#35314 commented
We all know the shuffle algorithm is beyond messed up and if this continue to not be fixed wizards will lose more new players than gaining because new players wont be able to play the game because they literally cant play the game. I feel that if there was a shuffle button when prompted to shuffle your library it would give the players more control and actually make the shuffling aspect of the game more relevant. From what I have experienced, most of the times that i have sacrificed a land for a basic land or have searched my library for a land, about 90% of those times I draw a land on the next turn and even more after that. I have started games with really great hands, no tutors for lands and even less lands than the average and I get pockets of lands when I'm losing all my creatures and/or life and cant do anything because my opponent has everything they need. Or its the other way around and I have to mulligan a couple times and then its right back to all the lands. There has to be a way for this to be fixed
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Jace#11366 commented
I am not sure about spending money but I would LOVE to know who would need to be bribed blackmailed or blown to have a fair and fun experience. out of 20 games I went first twice. I am flooded or hosed 90% of the time. My opponents get a nut draw at least 70% of the time or so. I am about ready to ragequit a game I have played and loved since alpha. No one expects to win all the time but losing all the time through a rigged system isn't fun for anyone. Even if your one the winning side, it isn't typical so much as a lucky game amongst tons of failures.
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2deff#23418 commented
Hi, I’ve been playing for about a month, and it’s been a mostly positive experience. The only complaint I have is the opening hand, and the draws. It’s obvious that neither is random, which is really weird.
What I would like to know is this - what can I do to improve the quality of the game? Is there a dollar amount I should spend per month? Is there something in the game I need to do? I just want to have normal games vs. other players, but the absurd opening hands and constant mana flood are really ruining the experience. Please let me know if there is anything I can do. -
Ravian#27646 commented
Agreed, but dumb humans who are ignorant will always keep falling for these scams.
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Purple Koolaid#48070 commented
SHUFFLE THE CARDS PROPERLY. Give us a choice how to shuffle.
Recently it seems like the Arena "random" algorithm is out in left field ... taking it too far. People who actually play MTG physically pre-blend their deck spreading out creatures, colors & lands ... to reduce clumping. After getting 9 lands in a row ... game over. It didn't matter how I played ... the AI frustratingly decided the game. It would be nice to have couple options for a pre-shuffle pattern.
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Cruxis#57749 commented
Matchmaking is now literally broken. Normally I get matched against against unwinable decks like any creature midrange deck vs sultai yorion. But now matchmaking doesn't work anymore at all. Guess you ran out of people playing a hard counter?
How about you fix your matchmaking and stop rigging people into unwinable matchups. "working as intended" my butt
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Anarky#87525 commented
The matchmaking and the algorithms are too much. I get no reward at all for taking sometimes hours to craft a deck. The second I get a few wins I'm pitted against a deck designed to beat me. I make adjustments, it happens again. This has turned me off to magic probably forever. Why should I even take the time. I was at a good 68% win ratio, then I lost literally 100s of games in a row. Went a period of time where every game my opponent drew 1st. That was over 50 games in a row. I can't take it. This game has me shaking in anger. I dint even want to be part of this community if this is what it's become. Farewell. I've been playing since 1996. 2021 is my final year. God job.
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Equinox#61443 commented
So my experience is that following a day when you won more than 50% of the games, the following day you cannot win. I also find that on the days I lose all the time I'm playing against decks that essentially auto-win, with perfect hands that cause you to lose at turn 2 or 3. I've also found that on the days I lose a lot I'm struggling for mana, yet the opponent never suffers this problem. I also find that on the days I lose the opponent always has the perfect answer to everything in hand, so if I play an enchantment deck they have a fist full of enchantment removal, if I play a creature deck they have to destroy and board wipe if I have anything else they have counters.
I've been playing magic for over 24 years and I know the game inside and out, the quality of my play doesn't fluctuate to such extremes, so yeah... Magic Arena is 100% rigged!
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SlateXiX#26191 commented
Let's talk about how rigged your pay to win game is. Let me go ahead and create a deck, find an opponent, play a game. This opponent will be the EXACT COUNTER to the deck I made. What the ****?! DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME, RIGGED = NO FUN, WASTE OF TIME.
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Majere#82214 commented
Apparently, this issue, which was raised a long time ago, has still not been fixed. I just created a new fun and interesting Historic deck. It is nowhere near a tier 1 deck and that is the point. I have played two games so far in the Play queue. This is the one and only queue in Arena in which deck strength is supposedly evaluated for matchmaking. In game 1, my opponent was on the play and won on their turn 3 with the Neoform combo. In game 2, my opponent crushed me with the meta white-green Angel CoCo deck. How is this supposed to be fun?
Please fix the Play queue matchmaking algorithm so that your customers can actually have fun playing Arena. Either that or create a different queue for non-meta decks.
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Magmatic#59666 commented
I have 70 lands in a deck of 170 cards and no lands coming in the five first rounds in 6 games in a row. You'll never fix the algorithm are you?
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Sunrun#22463 commented
Agree! So lame how they try to match it up to make it fun for everyone (low level players)
Great strategy for company to make money because you have lots more people who don't know anybetter to play. Really ****** because it's rigged. I have always said mtgo is like simulation and arena is like arcade version. Like NBA live versus NBA jam!
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MTGArenaSucks #42555 commented
MTG arena is HIGHLY rigged and every subreddit sucks your D***s defending your terrible company.
I stopped buying your cards and went full proxy back in 2015.
I recommend everyone go proxy and boycott WOTC for disrespecting there loyal customers
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SirAtemi#63810 commented
I also have this issue I have a 80% go 2nd rate. I have manually recorded this data. I am curious what to search within the logs to find the data though.
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TheCursed#42982 commented
Game rigged 100% certified.
The game keep anoying patterns already identified in other posts.
Tier IV rigged games against antagonist decks calculated by the matching system. More than 1000 games played and recorded whit opponents start more than 750 games (75% of opponent start) it´s out of statistic distribution. Games riggeds giving no lands, no usefull cards or crucial opponets draws in 98% of games. I always play whit top tier tournament decks. The patterns are insane, indeed I can predict the opponent play whit 96% of accuracy!!! Last week when i puchase a boster box climbed to diamon whit no issues. Now with the same decks it´s total impossible. Too much "luck" for the opponent in more than 200 games. No matter the deck you play, rigged matching system takes you out -
Trainer Red#95012 commented
I agree. Honestly I quit ranked at this point.
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beatfux#23804 commented
basically this.
play with g/w ramp --> get all sorts of control or removal decks matched.
play with u/w control --> get all sorts of fast ramp/control decks matched.
they don't even try to hide it.had a conversation over email with wotc support about letting us have technical insight how matchmaking and shuffling algorithms work. got as a reply:
"I assure you that our algorithms, including matchmaking, the shuffler, coin flips, and others, have been tested at length and are working as intended. All players are on the same playing field using the exact same rules."
i answered with some more detailed questions and received a standard "Your feedback about MTG Arena is very valuable to us" blah blah reply. pathetic!this is aggressive ignorance.
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nambobeht#84885 commented
even though i beat #93 in mythic....my rewards was moving up 10 positions....its really unfair i hate to be that guy but Wizards of the Coast ....You literally had one job FFS
AND making me play against someone who is 1100 positions infront of me is absolutley unacceptable.
ME Ranked #1250
THEM ranked #93
How does that make sense at all ?!?! easy wins for them i guess i recommend anyone reading this just uninstall the game it is a trap to get you to spend more money and than more money. until you get the deck that YouTube says will win, just to find out you you have to compete with professional gamers. i wont spend another penny on this game. no more season passes. when you are a customer and you are dissatisfied you dont return...so that was i recommend i am done with this BS.
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nambobeht#84885 commented
i was mid 800 in mythics yesterday until all the sudden i started getting matched up with people in the top #50 of mythic how is that even remotly fair??? now im in the 1200....im not mad that i lost the games but my decks are decent. it not fair to make me compete with literallty #20 in mythic when i am 850...
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Phantus#60520 commented
There is zero reason to have an algorithm meddle in what should be random matches. It really makes the game tedious and predictable in the worst way. Nobody wants to play mirror matches and nobody wants to play hard counters unless they are 1 in 10 due to chance. Please remove it immediately.