Algorithm Improvement
I'm sure you're getting a lot of complaints about how one-sided your algorithm is not being impartial and often times screwing over players with land draws that should not be happening in a purely random sample - so my complaint can be added to that pile.
But, an idea for changing the algorithm to improve randomization would be having the program assign a number to each card remaining in a deck and pile shuffling the cards into X amount of piles (let's say 6). It can repeat this process Y amount of times then take the middle of the pile and put those cards on top. A better template would be from the card shuffler for poker sets from stores.
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Zvizzd#90848 commented
Please please please fix the shuffling algorithm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Zvizzd#90848 commented
Hi!
I'm struggling and annoyed of MTG Arena shuffling mechanism.
It's very frequent case when you got 3 the same cards at starting hand or near.
Also it's very frequent that 3 the same cards are at the same place in the deck.
Even 2 the same cards together shall be not so frequent event.
But 3 !!! it's very strange, especially in the starting hand.
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lexikajira#40725 commented
The card shuffling "randomization" is absolute bull. Since the release of Brothers War, no matter how many land i put in a deck i always end up with clumps of land 6 to 8 deep. This is ridiculous, as it doesn't seem to be effecting some people, but its completely ruining the game for others.
I have had to scratch together wins for the past few seasons, to the point where i wont even be able to finish the Mastery, which i paid for. Not because my decks aren't good enough to win, but because i keep getting extreme clumps of land during the "randomization" shuffling.
Please do something to fix this issue. I should not be getting 8 land within the first 12 cards in a deck that only has 20 land. It would be one thing if this happened once or twice, but its constant. I have literally commented to others that the game is punishing me.
I have been playing MTG since the early 90s, and MTGA since it came out and this is truly making it hard to continue playing.
Please fix this issue or you are going to lose a life long player really fast.
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Antagonist37#47159 commented
In a 61 card deck I drew 11 of 22 lands in the first 16 cards. This doesn't break the laws of probability or anything, but it happens every other ******* game. At this point I don't really care what you do with your algorithm. I'm deleting the app. Thanks for making me hate a game I used to love.
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Simone commented
I'm seriously considering closing my account.
The game is unashamedly MANIPULATED.
When the game decides to penalize me, I clearly notice it.
When this happens I happen to play a long series of negative games in which, most of the time, from a situation of extreme advantage the opponent starts drawing cards as if he had the possibility to choose them from the deck!
These situations repeat and repeat themselves sometimes for days!!
In the periods, which are repeated regularly, the game manipulates the games by giving me a clear advantage or by penalizing me brutally.
It is not a question of individual matches but of entire periods that are repeated regularly in a cadenced manner.
The thing that convinced me that matches are manipulated is the incredible regularity with which bad matches are repeated within the period and the incredible regularity with which good periods alternate with bad periods. All extremely schematic to be considered "normal".
I am really exasperated with this situation.
I won't believe the game isn't rigged even if they show me the source code of the software. -
nekonekokoneko#62600 commented
please grumbling about it.
20 Lans in my deck.but I draw50% or more lands 1of 2 or 3 games.
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Zvizzd#90848 commented
Hi!
I'm struggling and annoyed of MTG Arena shuffling mechanism.
It's very frequent case when you got 3 the same cards at starting hand or near.
Also it's very frequent that 3 the same cards are at the same place in the deck.
Even 2 the same cards together shall be not so frequent event.
But 3 !!! it's very strange, especially in the starting hand.
See attached screenshots. -
Drewatopia#02932 commented
The shuffler is ******* broken. Stop working on stupid bs like putting emrakul in the game and fix the **** shuffler you *******
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brathendl#49709 commented
PLEASE!!! Update the shuffeling algorithm. It is so annoying that you always draw a multiple of the same card! I can have 120 cards in a deck, but thanks to some kind of „magic“ i draw all 4 copies of the same card within 2-3 turns. And that happens nearly every game.
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PerkyDong#92692 commented
I drew 7 lands in a row today and that is not the first time. I hate this game ... plain and simple ... it's just not fun. After playing with real cards in a real social setting with real world probabilities it is obvious to me this game is manipulated and is a bait and switch. If only our legal system didn't favor corporations I would almost be curious about class action so people could get some of their money back. Alas none of it matters since you own nothing and as far as hasbro is concerned that is the way things should be. I would STRONGLY advise anyone wanting to make an investment in this extremely poor representation of MTG to be cautious.
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Panic#40580 commented
You will not get any refund btw. You would have an easier time getting Hitler to apologize to the Jewish people, than having this company actually not blatantly rob people. Paying for a product, which is NOT being delivered and not giving refund, IS theft.
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Milkman#92044 commented
How about you make the card draw actually random... stop messing with the core game function you bafoons.
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TresLeches2020#36547 commented
Match Maker Broken for ONE Premier Draft. I am currently ranked Silver 3, that is 5 levels from beginner Bronze 4, these are my last 6 match pairings for ONE Premier Draft and it's exceptionally unfair: vs 1. Diamond, 2. Diamond, 3. Mythic Ranked 1298, 4. Platinum, 5. Diamond, 6. Mythic...Support just sends me the form message of "the algorhithms and match maker have been tested and work perfectly" but clearly there is a major problem. What is the point of a ranking system if I'm at a beginner level and get paired against experts match after match. There is a problem with the system, and I would like someone with a brain to respond to my messages and fix the issue. I have to quit ONE draft because it's extremely unfair to have to play these matches and would like my draft entries refunded until the issue is resolved.
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Panic#40580 commented
Not even Blizzard, RAPING WOMEN, is anywhere as DISGUSTING as this company. How the **** is this even in any way LEGAL?! IF the day ever comes and they will be sentenced to jail for this corrupt, moneygrubbing, soul-less ****, i hope they will get raped in jail as much as they raped every players wallet. Atleast Blizzard TRIES to condemn what they've done.. but noooo,, not this company. "shuffler is working as intended." Yeah.. the intention is to steal money and give no *****.
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GoghCohen#37535 commented
[YOUTUBE LINK BELLOW PROVES THIS TO BE A TRUE STATEMENT]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR0fhvy9LOQ[MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE]
I have a mono white deck. ALL WHITE. 60 cards. I've been playing ranked. I was on Silver tier 1, 1 game left to go to get to gold. EVERY GAME I JOINED, I ONLY GOT 2 MANA. Normally, this isn't an issue for me. I usually draw mana my first pull. NOPE. Played 2 games, same thing happened. I ended up using the mulligan feature. I kid you not, every time I mulligan, I get 2 mana. I mulligan all the way down to only being able to keep 2 cards, and what do you know? 3 mana. So I get pretty mad about this. I ended up putting 30 mana cards in a 60 card deck, the mana ratio is insane. I kid you not, it happened again. Next game, Put 5 more mana. Still the same outcome. It set me back 2 tiers. -
killjoy#56852 commented
Just read it and ask yourself. Am I telling the truth?
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killjoy#56852 commented
Draw mechanics are obviously being manipulated. It is easy to spot because it happens at roughly the same progression point every day AND its sloppy because the algorithm to do it results in laughable card stacking "3 or 4 of the same card on draw". It is further compromised by the mathematically obvious mana stacking. I am not sure what team decided this was a great idea and implemented it but its not. Further. The match making is also being ruined. Now after a number of wins being matched against other winning decks does make sense. However, that is not what is happening. What is happening is that Decks known to beat a given other deck are being fielded. So its not strong v strong its really auto side boarding. To put it simpler you are selecting the winner. This is one of the most complex games in the world. People "like myself" with over 20 years experience with MTG can see right through this ****. You want to monetize tournament play online while blatantly "stacking the decks". Stop it. Nobody is fooled and I for one will not give you a cent for tourney play while you keep up these policies. STOP IT!
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HairlessBeard#46721 commented
Having played MTG for about 28 years. I clearly love it, both physical and the various MTG PC games created throughout the years.
But what I am very annoyed at WoTC having done though, is gamifying MTG Arena. What does that mean? Means they monetised the product by utilising algorithms over the randomising of cards drawn.
So now when you play MTG Arena, the chances of a normal game are about 1 in 8. The rest of the time either you will be land screwed (no land or just constantly draw land) or you can tell that your opponent has been.
It's actually quite appalling conduct to treat your loyal customers of the product in such a way.
Living in a country where Pokies are the highest per capita in the world it is easy to see the tactics used by Wizards of the Coast in MTG Arena. There are tricks, play for a bit and when you can see yourself being screwed (takes about 5 games in a row of no or all land), stop playing for a while ( a few days or week maybe). Then the algorithm kicks in next time you play, and others will then be land screwed and you'll win 5 in a row (and see them flounder with no land or probably a handful of land).
The only other way I can think of is to try to build/play decks designed to make being land screwed by the algorithm hard. But that's very difficult.
SO WoTC, turn it off or turn it down, it is way too high at the moment. And makes playing MTG Arena VERY frustrating.
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Dmack665#71970 commented
this is a joke right your gonna ask if I enjoyed a game after you NERF my deck load my hand with the one color my mana pool dosen't have .... IT ****** SAD I can 50% of the time perdict the draw from my deck THAT SHOULD BE RANDOM DRAW NO QUESTIONS ASKED however no matter how much mana you put in a deck the Algorythm is set to draw mana at 20% no matter what until the deck is so flooded with mana it levaves it no choice .... I ask you where is fair or honor when you run a deck that is 50% mana and no matter what it draws mana at 20% with a good chance that any time you keep a hand with out a color on any deck that has 3 or more you can plan on not seeing that color I mean there are people here that would return to playing the game IF you wiould just Randomize the shuffler and level the playing field .... the CHAMPIONSHIP is a ******* JOKE until you randomize the shuffler...... YES THERE WILL NEVER BE A TRUE CHAMPION TILL YOU LEVEL THE FIELD CAUSE MATHATICS THAT ARE THE BACKBONE OF DECK BUILDING DO NOT MATTER HERE >>>>> you think minecraft or WOW nerfs their platform for the new players NO IT GET IT HOW YOU LIVE
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ravnarok#30389 commented
Dear mtgarena creators,
Nobody cares about any of your tournaments because you wont make it through them unless you have sank a ton of money into arena and they have deemed you worthy enough to progress. otherwise you will face the common shuffler issues of getting 10928390948 lands in a row, or the 1 (or 2) cards that are useless against the deck you are playing against in multitudes. If you manage to not get that issue, theyll either mana ********* to where theres no way of winning, or just put you against some weird deck that never climbs the ladder but its good against your deck so youll face it. and no worries, even if you do your homework and see what most people are bringing to the tournament, youll somehow manage to only face the one deck thats good against you, and multiple times. youll never play the common deck everyones playing. This app has totally ruined magic for me. Grats.
This is posted after facing 3 back to back opponents who played so dumb they couldnt beat a 5 year old with a starter deck, so what does arena do to combat it so they could get their win in? hand me a million lands, back to back to back matches. its getting ridiculous. **** even the youtubers are starting to post it in their videos to show how dumb theyve made it. just wow