Algorithm Improvement
I'm sure you're getting a lot of complaints about how one-sided your algorithm is not being impartial and often times screwing over players with land draws that should not be happening in a purely random sample - so my complaint can be added to that pile.
But, an idea for changing the algorithm to improve randomization would be having the program assign a number to each card remaining in a deck and pile shuffling the cards into X amount of piles (let's say 6). It can repeat this process Y amount of times then take the middle of the pile and put those cards on top. A better template would be from the card shuffler for poker sets from stores.
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Znel#45819 commented
Hello, I already quit the game before because of this and I just got back and tried to see if this is fixed but it still isn't
It seems all my hands are always fixed to be bad, I keep getting bad draws and this makes me lose very often. Im not a bad player and in rel life I dont have this issues, it is just some algorithm in Arena that is making this. I spent too much but Im not willing to spend any more if you keep having this behavior.
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MysticSquid#48745 commented
Your shuffler needs to get randomized, I can send you my deck list and I can tell you which card , if I get it in my opening hand I don't have a chance . This is not a conspiracy theory. I have recorded the statistics for several hundred thousand games and every single time I get flooded with mana to the point that on average my first 10 - 15 draws will be only lands. If your shuffler has such apparent patterns maybe you should change it. I can also prove that your shuffler does favor specific deck arch types. Another thing I would like is the contact info for someone that can actually do something to address my issue as you guys are just going to feed some BS scripted garbage if you respond at all. I have a petition started that has a few thousand names of players who want the option to turn off hand smoothing for themselves. If you just ignore me I can release my findings publicly and let the community decide for themselves if arena is worth paying into.
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Nessinho#62865 commented
It is not the first time it happens, it is maybe a bug or a hack, 7 draws.... 7 lands in a deck of 19 lands.... call me crazy, but the chances of that happenings once are very few, but 4 or 5 times it seems a hard problem.
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Lumovanis#92496 commented
I want to know who out there is getting to go first most of the time to make up for the fact I get to go second at least 8/10 matches. I've lost so many games to going second that it really is beginning to irk me after these years. This is not a case of "you only remember the negatives", I am honestly gobstruck when I get to go first.
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Sairdontis#86036 commented
I just wish that going first didn't mean so much to the game.
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Skunky Budtoker#00422 commented
Is Wizards of the Coast trying to kill Magic the Gathering? Arena is garbage. Fix the **** shuffler! Quit giving people whom give you money an unfair advantage. We all know you're cheating for the people that pay you money.
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GFY-FOAD#45803 commented
I have a great Idea - how about you stop manipulating the game in the background. Stop with the " hand smoothing " fix the matchmaking and I don't know what to say about the " shuffler ". The game is a complete festering pile of burning garbage. How's that for a great Idea? Probably not going to happen as it seems WOTC is just bent towards separating morons from their money. Buying worthless pixel products. No value
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DCarnage#32456 commented
One Legion Angel in the deck but always draw it in the first 15 cards, always. Not just my opponents but me as well. Want logs? I have logs. It works out for me but the opponent as well. Fix your shuffler, we're tired of your... compost (trying to be PC and not trigger you).
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Duskobserver#49904 commented
Explorer also.
Bro, this game is an absolute JOKE. Pure scamming, outside ANY probabilistic logic.
There's an ENORMOUS BUG in the shuffling algorithm and you are taking money from people who trust you and think it's "randomized". Pure scamming. -
Duskobserver#49904 commented
How strange it is, that you have a VERY solid draft deck on Platinum, you go 3-0 against players ranked higher than you and then, suddenly you find yourself 3-3 with the last 30 draws where you draw the 95% of lands in the deck.
From a statistical point of view this is near to impossible, but for Wizards of the Coast this seems to be regular stuff. Deliberately biased algorithm to cut down who ranks to fast.
But hey, don't worry, I bet antitrust and gambling authorities will soon pay a visit to you. ;) -
DCarnage#32456 commented
This was all ranked. We are tired of bs.. To be honest, you will probably delete this whole thread because one exists somewhere or P.R. reasons or something. Seriously though stop stacking decks based on strong cards. We know you do it and it's freaking disgusting. All of the streamers I watch know it's true. CGB, LegenVD, MTG Malone, Crokeyz, Day9V, Sonio, Nizzahon Magic, Ali Eldrazi, Pootin, MTG Original Decks (Aka TheGreatWhitDragon), The Magic Historian, PowrDragn, MTGGoldfish, ChannelFireball, etc. Basically your programmers are horrible, stop it, get some help.
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DCarnage#32456 commented
The shuffler is fine... Seriously, stop it.
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DCarnage#32456 commented
By the end of the game they had 4 copies of Kami of Transience, 2 copies of Jukai Naturalist, 4 copies of Touch the Spirit Region, 3 copies of Commune with the Spirits... I mean, come on. Stop stacking the deck for already super strong decks.
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MysticSquid#48745 commented
When are you going to fix the shuffler and actually make it random ? I would really appreciate being able to pay for n event and not get flooded /screwed in every game. If you think the shuffler is just fine then why don't you guys post your testing results. I am more then willing to publicly post my information gained from tracking the shuffler since before hand smoothing.
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OneOfThePetes#57928 commented
For some reason when I run 2 copies of Gaia's Blessing, I tend to almost consistently draw both of them one after the other.
This is so frequent, that it defies odds.
I suggest this should not happen.
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Andy York#83293 commented
At least allow the players to turn this thing off even if it means playing non-ranked games only. This is the single biggest issue players have with this game as its well known to be broken.
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carrozzieri#52095 commented
Fix the shuffler. I can't play games only in mana flood or mana *****. This is ridiculous.
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somsoc#29315 commented
@DrLoveFist#98447
If there were no clumps, it would indeed not be properly randomised. Randomness produces clumps. In theory you could have every single land at the top of your deck because this is one of the possibilities in the set of all shuffled decks (but not on Arena because it checks to make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen).If you expect to have land/spell/land/spell... or some other pattern throughout the game, every match, you're not going to get it, because that isn't random. If you want guaranteed mana for spells every match, play a different game that isn't a randomised card game with variance.
Alternatively if you want to minimise the effects of variance you should employ filtering, spell/land tutoring, cost reduction, and cards that have activated abilities (so you can use what mana you have in event of lacking land). Ideally a combination of all these things.
If you do none of these things you are going to be entirely at the mercy of variance, and it is as uncaring as most people will be to these kind of accusations.
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DrLoveFist#98447 commented
5th turn there is a clump of mana in like 70-90% of games.... at least 3 mana in a row after turn 5.... your smoother isnt so smooth
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Skunky Budtoker#00422 commented
Everyone knows that you have to spend money on this game to get a fair/good shuffle. I just want to know how much, I don't want to spend more money on this game than I need to.