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Shuffler algoritm

Please do away with shuffler algorithms; just randomize it. I feel I need to build a deck to suit the algorithms which I don't want to.' The algo is completely obvious and often ridiculous. I think it would be great for MTG to just randomize it, because the shuffler seems to work best with copy paste unoriginal decks. So fix it. Now. Random is cheaper to for you guys. Fire some people, whatever.

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  • MysticSquid#48745 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    the shuffler is terrible, I have not had any issues like this until you brought in hand smoothing.. You should give us players the option if we want to even use the stupid thing, It doesn't work and if it was created for new players then it really has no place in ranked or events. Just had a horrible run where 2 games mulliganed to 0 and every draw was 1 land and immediately followed by 4 games where turn 8 only had 2 lands. If hand smoothing is to reduce the chance of this happening cann you tell me what the odds of either those events are.

  • ArtieMac#80679 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Worst RNG ever, I play a deck I CRUSH with in real life, here I either get no mana or literally draw 4 card 3 times (Practical research + double vision X 2) and get 12 lands!!

  • Wogawell#92282 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    After numerous games, feeling like I was playing second in more games than first, being completely land flooded, never EVER seeing certain cards in my decks, I decided to run a few tests.

    The "randomness" is not random. It's the exact same method Fifa use to bait their players in to playing more. It's taking advantage of hardcore players and rewarding the newer ones. It's digusting. If you win a draft/sealed 7-0 with perfect draws throughout, you can expect to lose the next two almost 0-3 twice in a row. See for yourself.

    For draft, I've started playing with 43 cards, 13 lands and I can somehow get 10 lands in my top 20 cards a lot of the time. This is not "random", this is predetermined.

    I have data that shows my "you go first" stats as 44% of the time and looking deep in the data, I've gone 6 games in a row as second and the game offsets this by making me go first 3-4 games in a row. If I'm on a win streak, I'm more inclined to go second.

    I reported it and got this:

    Thank you for contacting Wizards of the Coast Customer Service. I'm very sorry to hear that you've had some undesirable results while playing MTG Arena. I assure you that our algorithms, including matchmaking, the shuffler, coin flips, and others, have been tested at length and are working as intended. All players are on the same playing field using the exact same rules.

    I do, however, want to thank you for your concern and feedback on this matter. It is particularly important to our company that your voice is heard, and we will take it into consideration as we strive to build a better experience for you.

    When someone has the money to take these guys to court for gaming/gambling fraud, the game will be destroyed. It's so obvious.

    Anyway, good luck.

  • Johnny Demonic commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Yes, I would like to get achievement badges for various plays, combos, “bad beats,” and so forth. Plus the bonuses mentioned above. The lack of development of this game is so obvious that you wonder if WOTC cares and if they just will kill it at some point. The problem with this kind of “free” achievement stuff is that it is free, and WOTC clearly (from its behavior) only cares about monetization (spending the least amount of money to gain the most money).

  • Danton#75751 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Guys, this is not a comment about shuffle. Variance will always exist. The randomization is what it has to be. We can't fight against variance without insert some horrible vias. This is not about shuffle. This is a proposal for a new feature suggestion. We can learn with poker sites.

    Let's try again:

    Today I faced 11 land draws in a row on my first draws. (60 cards deck, 25 lands. inital hand 3 lands and 4 others. Chance of 11 land draws in a row = 0.000925%).

    The feeling is the wish to never open MTG Arena again. Angry and pain.

    So I thought... What about a feature, similar to many poker sites, that rewards players that face some bad beats (likely buying lands in a row with pretty rare odds)?

    Maybe gems rewards, gold rewards, cards rewards... The intention is to ease the hatred of unlucky players, bringing fun even to these very rare moments. Of course, related not about the quantity of lands you draw, but about the chance - considering the ratio between lands and total cards.

    It's a fact: variance is frustrating and doesn't have to be. Ask the players in a pool about this idea. People would approve for sure!

    How many players quit the game forever due to factors like this?

    Don't you think it is a clever idea?

  • Beastymon#86044 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    No matter what happens I can start with three or four lands. Won’t draw a land until turn 5-8 minimum. This is in rank, draft, you name it. I get land locked more than anything else in this game. Is it suppose to happen? Of course, just like in paper. But I have never been land locked on this much of a consistent bases to where it’s actually frustrating to play arena to be honest. I feel like 33% of the time this happens, when it paper, it’s about. 10% I think this is a serious issue on how the starting hands are picked in arena as opposed to paper. This is a serious issue I have ran into with other players as well, and it’s just not realistic.

  • dstroyer#11966 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    The game is messed up. No proper randomiser. Stupid over powered planewalkers who have no business in the game. Creatures which are just stupidly over powered. If you don't drop a **** ton of money on this game, expect to scrap for everything. Really shameful.

  • DonBushido#11605 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    obviously whatever you are trying to do with the shuffler is beyond not working, the grouping of cards is so disgusting I'm about to call it super quits on this, seriously what product are you peddling? I'm trying to enjoy classic magic? like honestly who is in charge of game play experience? please respond

  • Capnclyde#28254 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    fire your staff and buy a new one to fix this trash game the bullsh!t on this client is endless and it start with the minute you shuffler

  • evosonic#22462 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Wouldn't wizards be in a dilemma if the shuffler is truly rigged? I mean admitting unsportsmanlike behavior in regards off a rigged shuffler... Hmm. They would be stupid to admit it, let alone change it. Because if they do admit it everyone would stop p(l)aying until its fixed. By changing it, they would miss out a luxurious cashgrab.

    Sooo im being bold by saying to everyone who's reading this: This will never change. Deal with it and handle the game as f2p and don't buy a mastery pass, if you feel like its rigged.

    PS: WotC, alone the suspicion that something in a card game is rigged can be devastating for a game like yours.

  • Eduardo#50562 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    I stopped spending money in Arena. I recommend everyone unsatisfied do the same. The company does not worry about complaints until it hurts its pocket.

  • Billzabub#55457 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    WotC as I see it you have two choices:

    1. Continue with your money grab and then lose all credibility with players and have your cash cow dry up and stop delivering milk money

    2. Fire the coders named Manip Ulated and return Arena to truly random matches and card draw and hopefully save Magic the Gathering from ever being associated with a Rigged Version called Arena

    Choice is yours.

  • Danton#75751 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Today I faced 11 land draws in a row on my first draws. (60 cards deck, 25 lands. inital hand 3 lands and 4 others. Chance of 11 land draws = 0.000925%).

    The feeling is the wish to never open MTG Arena again. Angry and pain.

    So I thought... What about a feature, similar to many poker sites, that rewards players that face some bad beats?

    Maybe gems rewards, gold rewards, cards rewards... The intention is to ease the hatred of unlucky players, bringing fun even to these very rare moments. Of course, related not about the quantity of lands you draw, but about the chance - considering the ratio between lands and total cards.

    It's a fact: variance is frustrating and doesn't have to be. Ask the players in a pool about this idea. People would approve for sure!

    How many players quit the game forever due to factors like this?

    Don't you think it is a clever idea?

  • ひろたそ#41103 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    クイックドラフトで引いたカードがぜんぶ土地でした。クリーチャー3体は初期手札です。
    そんなことある？

  • ひろたそ#41103 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    クイックドラフトで引いたカードがぜんぶ土地でした。クリーチャー3体は初期手札です。
    そんなことある？

  • InebriatedFish#84016 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    Every time I buy a pack I get perfect hands. Every game I quit early or rope out I get mana flooded/starved for a game or two. Painfully obvious, really turning me off from having anything to do with this game or the company

  • KDJOHNSON#71660 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    I am getting sick and tired of being dealt bad games. It is not my decks. There is something wrong with how the games get dealt. This game is not fun at all if I am constantly losing. Issues I am getting is I am not being dealt creatures, no lands, land of only one type or no supporting cards. They way the games are dealt are extremely improbable. It is impossible to be dealt games this badly so consistently. Fix the ****

  • KDJOHNSON#71660 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

    When will the card shuffle get fixed. I should very rarely see 3 of the same card in my hand on a draw. It should be rare to see doubles.

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